Killing time during the Trojan War with Ajax and Achilles: Curator's Corner S5 Ep 10 #CuratorsCorner

When you think about the Trojan War (which we know you do a lot), you probably think about the great fight between Achilles and Hektor or maybe the MASSIVE …


  1. Thank you Victoria, your knowledge and understanding of the Trojan War, and of Greek pottery is impressive, and I thoroughly enjoyed watching this fascinating video. Reading Greek history as a Greats Scholar ( oh, over fifty years ago now ) I criss- crossed Greece and Italy many times and have appreciated Greek pottery close up on many occasions – and one never fails to be astonished by the beauty and skill of those ancient craftsmen.
    Very, very well done indeed 🙂

  2. I love looking at Greek painted pottery and you draw attention to lots of facets – like how the spear and the shields point to the handles and make a good 'fit'. Or how the protagonists are lining up for their own battle in a lull during the Trojan War. Thank you. Bring us more of your clever thoughts and observations.

  3. A bit off topic but: I missed the BM's exhibition of Troy due to Covid falling right in the middle. I'm sure there were others too. Is there any chance that the exhibit, or part if will return in better times? Thanks, Jon

  4. I know that this isn't the main focus of the video, nor the main thing I should focus on, but am I the only one who find women who talk knowledgably on a subject extremely attractive?

  5. Vicky Donnellan's aproach to the vase is great and she is a brilliant mediator. It was a pure joy to watch the video. I certainly did not feel like killing time whilst watching it.

  6. Thank you for creating this. I spent some time learning about the Trojan War, since I knew nothing of it. I also started researching what Greek amphorae are and how they were made and used, and I understand better now the context of this one being made for a funerary purpose. My knowledge of Greek mythology is very small at best. It has improved thanks to your video.

  7. 0:29 …As mentioned, Athens. I didn't realize that Athenians buried their dead: it, the amphora, must have been for the odd ones, the ones that the fish police didn't like, the ones who they killed… Socrates, etc.. Perhaps indication that they knew of de-animation, but it wasn't employed very often as evidenced by characteristics of overall Athenian culture. (0:41) But then why would Etrusca want the remains of dead human beings? Maybe I had it all wrong… maybe Hannibal's use of the elephant was successful at penetrating Rome (from the north) because lingering aspects of Etruscan culture (Tuscany) were not A-1 AND thus didn't like harming themselves… duelly, being not A-1 is the definition of a Sumerian AND also a Phoenician, indicating some kind of subhuman collusion.
    1:00 Achilles was not his army. The black figure technique would have been more useful depicting the mutated myromex, rather than their general. The red figure technique is more useful for the depiction of Achilles, given the nature of his baptism… but then again, the Athenians are sensitive when it comes to ED. Runners are all they ever really had.
    4:18 There it is… there is the passive-aggressive response. I wasn't trying to strike a chord (with Achilles): I don't like music and I like great recovery.
    5:46 …oratory an aspect of linguilizing, often done in publlic. A roman proverb, "Only idiots do not speak in publlic."
    5:50 Homer wrote Kiprea? …maybe it wasn't the wax and cotten that kept Oddyseus away from the siren songs of the Peloponnese. Maybe it wasn't the boulder that kept him and his fellow seamen in the cyclops's lair. Luckily, the Kiprea is gone: it described the basis for the corruption of Helen's love (a message not worth reading). Perhaps today, after reformation, it is known as Ciprea… although still there is a kind of corruption.

  8. 1000 years from now: this is something they used to communicate with each other call a cellular phone, iPhone brand to be exact, that is full of images of what we now, just discovered through the book of instagram literature, are called selfies.

  9. The extremely easy-going look of this video, with a precious testimony of western civilization's origins on top of a narrow table covered with a messed-up cloth, and the next-door neighbour on her flip-flops talking about it, is disappointing and completely out of place. If the purpose was to get younger generations interested in outdated topics, you failed miserably.

  10. Makes you wonder if Alexander got the same choice, be an uneventful king of Macedonia and live a long life, or conquer the known world and die young.

  11. Have to disagree that their being armed suggests that they would be at each other's throats should one not play the game fairly. To me it's obvious that these two warriors are simply waiting to be called into action, killing time as you said in your title. I've seen it countless times, in both peace and wartime, in our military and those of other nations; it's the universal mission called "Hurry up and wait." Nowadays young soldiers use their mobile phones and Play Stations to do the same thing. Wouldn't that be an interesting scene on the front of an amphora? Perhaps on the back they'd show the troops washing their humvees. lol

    Anywhoooo … from my unprofessional knowledge about the relationship between Ajax and Achilles, they might spar competitively or trade blows or wrestle, but not take up deadly arms against one another. Ajax's love for Achilles was too deep; look at how he died. At least that's my opinion.

    I have the tourist version purchased from a shop in Athens for about $35. It's one of my favorite pieces, along with a plate depicting Ajax carrying the mortally wounded Achilles over his shoulder. It reminds me of all soldiers who suffer in war … "leave no man behind."

    Anyway, good show. Thanks for sharing this wonderful piece. Much obliged.

  12. All the curators are fantastic and have so much energy on the subject they cover..I love the classical world and Greek mythology and could listen to this lady all day 👍

  13. Watching these videos makes me reevaluate my academic choices . I originally wanted to study something history related when I was younger . ( I sound like an old lady haha ) I chose economics instead as a career path due to financial reasons but the older I get the more I value pursuing my passions rather than financial goals . Oh well . Anyways , thank you for the series . I admire what you are doing .

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