1. The moon and earth have been spinning a long time, the waves of the moon are harvested for electricity, so perpetual machines can be real,
    The nay sayers will argue that is not real perpetual, but than again what is anyway? The sun? Guns and roses novemberrain? The fact is perpetual "@lmost everlasting" electricity exists, perpetual/almost perpetual is very real, an has been harvested for thousand of years in windmills etc.

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